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Offline stevehaley

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Flarm vs LX GPS Feed - Any cons?
« on: February 04, 2008, 11:21:53 pm »
Looking at the data feeds from the LX and the Flarm it would appear that there is one NMEA sentence (LXWP_) that will be missing.
What does Seeyou mobile use this sentence for. i.e. I switch the output from my LX7000 to a Swiss flarm unit what Seeyou Functionality/Information/Data do I lose or degrade?
It must be something or the instruction to make sure that this is enabled would be irrelevant

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Re: Flarm vs LX GPS Feed - Any cons?
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2008, 12:04:33 pm »
We certainly reccommend AUTO setting especially the way you use it.

The LXWP_ sentence is quite useful, actually. It sends data about Vario, Pressure altitude and IAS to SeeYou Mobile. With IAS in the stream SeeYou Mobile can calculate the wind in straight flight which is often a big bonus.

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Re: Flarm vs LX GPS Feed - Any cons?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2008, 01:31:03 pm »
So in other words switching from an LX to a Flarm for the feed to Seeyou is not a good idea?

If the vario feed is present does Seeyou take that for the Thermal assistant or does it recalc its own from the barometric or gpa altitude?

Any chance you could let me know in more detail what actually goes/suffers?


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Re: Flarm vs LX GPS Feed - Any cons?
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2008, 06:29:04 pm »
There some things that "come" and some things that "go". I can't tell which are more important for you.

In "LX" position you get (in addition to Lat, Lon, GPS altitude and Time):
. Wind in straight flight
. Vario is taken from LX 7000 rather than to compile it from 1Hz NMEA data
. some of the values are better accuracy because of pressure altitude/vario/IAS data
. you DO NOT get traffic data

In "Flarm" position you get:
. Info on nearby traffic (Flarm Radar, Flarm labels on known gliders, Goto Flarm etc)
. Alarms when it gets critical
. you still get the pressure altitude information which is much better (more sensitive) for vario calculations than GPS altitude
. you DO NOT get vario and IAS data

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Re: Flarm vs LX GPS Feed - Any cons?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2008, 10:29:53 pm »
Ok that makes life a little clearer

In summary what you lose if you have an LX, Cambridge or similar is
a)  Faster more accurate vario info
b)  IAS meaning that wind and final glide info in the glide will not be nearly as accurate

With rgd to the Flarm functionality - it is all very impressive BUT is the climb rate of any real use (and surely it is contentious).
In theory FLARM only works within 1k and there will rarely be more than on thermal within that distance so in reality it can only report the climb rate of gliders in the same thermal as you or a thermal that you are very near to in both of these scenarios this is something that you should see with your own eyes and thus maintaning your own situational awareness. It would appear that this functionality will simply encourage pilots (especially the more newly qualifued) to look at the instruments (Seeyou/WP etc) and not out of the window where they might see a non FLARM g;lider about to hit them.

If flarm does have  bigger range making it usefull for longer range thermal decision making then the information that the IGC approved the use of FLARM  on is in error and they will likely revoke it.
http://www.fai.org/gliding/p240705

Now what would be interesting/worthwhile would be if you could take the NMEA from the LX on the serial line (com 1) and the FLARM data from a BT feed on a different com port as you could easily feed FLARM to the IPAQ over Bluetooth - devices to convert serial to BT exist and only cost arround $100 or less and a most IPAQs in use can handle BT. Ideally Swiss Flarm could build it in as it must be very liile money judging by the price of BT GPS prices -  but thats another story and unlikely to happen unless the demand is there which can only happen if you and others enable it in your SW and maybe sell a BT serial converter fo those interested.
This would be especially worthwhile for the LX1600/Cambridge 302 users who need the ipaq connected to these instruments to control them.

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Re: Flarm vs LX GPS Feed - Any cons?
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2008, 10:13:47 am »
Topic has been split. The conversation on NMEA Multiplexers is continued here:
http://www.naviter.si/forum/index.php?topic=3041.0